If the supply voltage is constant, increasing the length of the conductor increases the total resistance. With the same current flowing through the circuit, this should produce a larger voltage drop according to Ohm's law.
What I'm less clear about is how this develops along the length of a circuit rather than simply appearing as a single voltage loss. Does the potential decrease continuously along the conductor, and can this be thought of as an electric field driving the current through the resistance of the wire?
I'm also interested in how the wire's cross-sectional area changes the situation. A thicker conductor has lower resistance, but is there a useful way to relate this directly to the potential gradient along the conductor?
I'd appreciate an explanation from the physics side rather than just a practical wiring rule.
The same current does not flow in the circuit.
The supply voltage is fixed, Vs.
The LED voltage is fixed, Vd, (by the band gap of the material).
The resistance, R, of the circuit wires is proportional to length.
The current that flows in the circuit will be, I = ( Vs – Vd ) / R .
If you increase R, then I will fall.
Yes. It's a little more complicated than that, depending on how the LEDs are driven. If they are simple LEDs each with its own series current-limiting resistor, then the current through each LED depends on the voltage available at the tap point where the LED and its series resistor are connected on the wires. So the LEDs near the end of the string will receive a lower voltage from the string wires, and will be a little dimmer than the first LED in the string.
If each LED has its own switching current source that draws power from the string wires, then the LEDs will be the same brightness even though the string wiring voltage decreases with distance. Each LED circuit will draw the same
power from the string wiring, so the LED circuits at the end of the string will be drawing a higher current from the wires due to the lower voltage that they see. This is a non-linear effect that has some strange behaviors, which I can describe in more detail if you are interested.Yes.
Sort of. Field descriptions can get complicated. I would stick with the voltage (potential) for now. The current would be determined by the entire loop circuit, so wires plus the devices (LEDs) that the current has to flow through.
Khan academy has some really good tutorials on electronic circuits.
One way to reduce that variation is to feed the strip from both ends. Connect the positive supply at one end, with the negative supply at the other end. That places the same series supply resistance in all LED current paths, so the voltage variation should not result in a current or brightness variation along the strip.
All LEDs will then be equally bright, the same brightness as the LED in the middle of the strip would be, if fed with both supplies from one end only.
The UK ring main is a quite different system, one that does NOT balance the voltage drops. The UK ring main supplies current from both ends of the ring through both conductors, that is with four connections at the distribution box. A break in either conductor can double the current in the broken wire, which then has only half the copper needed to meet the voltage droop specification. Overheating of the wires can take place without there being any warning to the occupants of the premises.
LEDs, or loads, on an intact UK ring main configuration would be brightest at the ends, with the dimmest LED being in the middle of the ring. The UK ring main configuration is actually used for most LED strips, because it provides more light, but it only halves the brightness variation, it does not cancel the variation completely.
One pair of conductors, in a ring, with only one conductor fed at each end, equalises the line resistance to all nodes on the ring. Unlike in the UK ring main, any break in either conductor will extinguish all nodes between the break and the open end of that conductor. For that reason, it is easier to diagnose the presence and position of a break, than it is in the UK ring main system, but it doubles the cost of the copper needed in the wires.
Could you clarify this a bit more, please? If you could refer to a diagram of the LED strip arrangement then It could be clear but I would assume that there's parallel connection for each LED unit onto the power leads. The ring main uses a Live ring and a neutral ring. Will a ring supply to a number of LEDs have two conductors, arranged in a ring (+v and 'Earth) or some other arrangement?. There are, of course, some differences in applications and power levels the ring main is designed to cope with the full current without getting hot and the LED system equalises the LED brightnesses but is there really any fundamental difference?
With just one ring main conductor cut, the system works 'fine' except under heavy loads. Checking for a break is not easy without testing for continuity with the whole ring disconnected from the board. I think it will be a matter of differences between power dissipation in the power and the lighting applications.
For example, say the DC source power supply outputs 12V, and each LED's forward voltage when ON is about 2.0V. Then each LED can be driven by a buck current source that drops the 12V down to about 2V and regulates by sensing the LED current (usually done with a low-side resistor below the LED, with feedback for the buck circuit tapped off the top of that current-sensing resistor).
Assuming the buck switching circuit has high efficiency, then the power drawn from the distribution wires is just the LED current multiplied by the voltage drop across the LED and the current-sensing resistor, which is the constant power that I mentioned. The LED circuits at the end of the distribution wiring will see an input voltage less than the source 12Vdc, but they will still draw the same power determined by the LED current and the voltage drop of the LED+resistor. Since they are constant power consumption devices, the input current will be proportionally higher since the input voltage is lower.
Does that help?
In these schematics, a LED with a series resistor is represented by a vertical 1k resistor. The resistance of the conductor is represented by a horizontal 1R resistor. The voltage on a node is proportional to the vertical on the schematic, so hopefully it will clearly illustrate the voltage droop for the different configurations.
You are too easily persuaded.
When all LEDs are on, the variation in the ring-main easily beats the variation in the single-ended, and comes close, but not equal to, the variation in the equal-brightness circuit.
I agree that, the ring-main is a clear win for the economy.
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